All Discussions Tagged 'with' - Fair Backgammon2024-03-29T14:35:40Zhttp://fairbg.ning.com/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=with&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDouble Consulting Matches with Duplicated Rollstag:fairbg.ning.com,2011-08-29:3548299:Topic:63232011-08-29T12:42:22.560ZJakob Garalhttp://fairbg.ning.com/profile/JakobGaral
<p>It is proposed to promote matches for Double Consulting Championship with duplicated rolls on two playing boards.</p>
<p>It is known that in each Double Consulting Match should take part two players. The players consult between themselves during the match about the moves and take the decisions according to the doubling cube. To make the competition more exciting, fair and quicker it will be proposed promote such matches on two boards with the rolls thrown on the board Nr.1 and transfer the…</p>
<p>It is proposed to promote matches for Double Consulting Championship with duplicated rolls on two playing boards.</p>
<p>It is known that in each Double Consulting Match should take part two players. The players consult between themselves during the match about the moves and take the decisions according to the doubling cube. To make the competition more exciting, fair and quicker it will be proposed promote such matches on two boards with the rolls thrown on the board Nr.1 and transfer the same combination of dice (the same or duplicated rolls) to board Nr.2.</p>
<p>Procedures are follow:</p>
<ol start="1">
<li>The dice will be rolled only on the board Nr.1</li>
<li>The side that wins the first roll starts to play on the board Nr.1. After the move on the board Nr.1 is completed the opponent’s side makes his move on the board Nr.2 with the same dice combination (duplicated roll for opponent side).</li>
</ol>
<p>Example: White A (from Team A) rolls 61 on the board Nr.1. After his move is completed, then White B (from Team B) moves on the board Nr.2 his checkers with the same roll 61.</p>
<ol start="3">
<li>In case one side wants to double:</li>
</ol>
<p>3.1. On the board Nr.1 – it is usual condition – before this side (for example, White A) roll his dice.</p>
<p>3.2. On the board Nr.2 – it is usual condition as well, but the side (White B) should make a sign about his wish to double BEFORE on the board Nr.1 will be rolled the dice from White A.</p>
<ol start="4">
<li>In case one side is „PASS“, then the game will be continue on one board (Nr.1 or Nr.2), but it will be rolled on the board Nr.1 in the same order.</li>
<li>During the match the players have possibility to consult about moves and handling with doubling cubes on both boards.</li>
<li>The scoring will be usual – till specific number of points.</li>
</ol>
<p>Duplication of rolls (as well as duplication of cards in bridge) is very important for tournament organizers as well as for players, because this option allows to promote competitions with obviously equal conditions for both sides at any part of the game or the match and excludes any questions about high influence of luck to end result of a game or a match. In this case we can introduce for the first time a basic principle of intellectual game competition – equal game and play conditions.</p>
<p><a href="http://fairbg.ning.com/video/first-duplicated-match-after" target="_self">First experience with duplicated rolls match played on sensor boards</a> "BEZMA" has made American team Ray Fogerlund& Bill Finneran against Japan team Mochy&Co in two games match after Nordic Open 2008.</p>
<p>In Yalta, Crimea, Ukraine from 1st till 5th October 2008 there was the <a href="http://www.gammonvillage.com/backgammon/magazine/article_display.cfm?resourceid=5683" target="_blank">first Fair Backgammon Duplicated Team Tournament.</a><br/> In Monte Carlo 2010 during World Championship there was demo match: USA team Stick&Matt against international team Falafel&Garal in two games. One game of this last match you can see below:</p>
<p> </p> Unique Possibilitytag:fairbg.ning.com,2011-08-28:3548299:Topic:62232011-08-28T17:59:03.378ZJakob Garalhttp://fairbg.ning.com/profile/JakobGaral
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<p> <a href="http://www.chicagopoint.com/" target="_blank">ChicagoPoint</a> proposes its users sometimes very interesting questions and the answers on them are very important for correct investigations of tournament rules for this game competition.</p>
<p>I’d like to discuss about follow poll results: </p>
<p><i>POLL#3 (Total votes 219): My favorite major tournament format is:</i></p>
<p><i>33% - swiss movement (or modified swiss)</i></p>
<p><i>32% - double elimination with…</i></p>
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<p> <a href="http://www.chicagopoint.com/" target="_blank">ChicagoPoint</a> proposes its users sometimes very interesting questions and the answers on them are very important for correct investigations of tournament rules for this game competition.</p>
<p>I’d like to discuss about follow poll results: </p>
<p><i>POLL#3 (Total votes 219): My favorite major tournament format is:</i></p>
<p><i>33% - swiss movement (or modified swiss)</i></p>
<p><i>32% - double elimination with Consolation Flight</i></p>
<p> </p>
<p><i>POLL#5 (Total votes 251): What most inspires you to attend a backgammon tournament?</i></p>
<p><i>38% - big cash prizes preferably including added money</i></p>
<p><i>20% - social reasons, I want to have fun over the weekend</i></p>
<p><i> </i></p>
<p><i>POLL#11 (Total votes 184): When you cash in ABT event, which is more important for you?</i></p>
<p><i>62% - money over master points by a lot</i></p>
<p><i>10% - money over master points by a little</i></p>
<p><i>15% - I value both money and master points</i></p>
<p> </p>
<p><i>POLL#27 (Total votes 188): BG directors should strive to make their events as skilful as possible –eg. long matches, Swiss system, clocks – so the best players win more often.</i></p>
<p><i>28% - I agree. When the same experts regularly cash, it helps to prove that backgammon is a game of skill.</i></p>
<p><i>42% - Within reason. Open entry fees are expensive. You don’t want to make winning effectively impossible for below average players.</i></p>
<p><i>30% - I disagree. Don’t go overboard with the skill thing. It’s great for backgammon when non-expert win.</i></p>
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<p>If we collect all these answers together then we can find that the most part of BG-community prefer play in the tournament:</p>
<p>- for money (58% in poll#5 and 87% in poll#11 – I suppose that 15% of players, who answered that they value both money and master points, are likely immediately to choose money in case you ask them extra about “what do you prefer to receive: only money or master points?” J);</p>
<p>- more matches: Swiss system (33% recipients) and double elimination with consolation flight (32%).</p>
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<p>The last Poll#27 brings us very interesting results: opinions were shared practically in three parts. Only 1 of 3 recipients (28%) has understood how important for BG-community to have their experts and other good players in the top of the rating table. Why? Because in the reality we have some kind of expert’s opinions who decide about the BG-giants every two years and offer us their estimations in form of 32 BG-Giants list of the World, and we have World Backgammon Championship in Monte Carlo the winner of which could be NOBODY! In the last 2009 list there were only two World Champions between 32 giants: Mochy (place 1 – he won in 2009 WC) and double World Champion Bill Robertie (place 26). There are no other World Champions between 32 Giants!</p>
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<p>Is it normal? Is it OK for this game? Have we no possibility to find any specific format for the competition that allow us to promote the tournaments in fair form, where the best players have the possibility to show their full features and everybody can use his chance of luck in the same form as it happens in this game usually? Should we really need experts to decide who the best one is? Have we no chance to find another criterion instead of subjective opinions of experts? How can we accept the wishes of players and what should be changed in the tournament formats to make them more attractive for players and more profitable for tournament organizers? Is it possible generally? </p>
<p>It looks may be strange, but “yes” it is possible. For these purposes we have to implement the tournament with prize fund sharing, that first time was found in Kharkov, Ukraine in 2009 and used now on all events in Kharkov Federation of Nard and Backgammon and in other backgammon events in Ukraine too. <a href="http://fairbg.ning.com/forum/attachment/download?id=3548299%3AUploadedFile%3A6222" target="_self">How it works?</a></p>