Wide Payout system (for round-robin tournaments) - Fair Backgammon2024-03-29T11:10:19Zhttps://fairbg.ning.com/forum/topics/wide-payout-system-for-round-robin-tournaments?commentId=3548299%3AComment%3A14323&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOk, I agree that the prelimin…tag:fairbg.ning.com,2012-10-30:3548299:Comment:143232012-10-30T10:56:52.641ZPeter Bäckgrenhttps://fairbg.ning.com/profile/PeterBaeckgren
<p>Ok, I agree that the preliminary game round winnings you have used is trying to address the same problem I was aiming at with the Wide Payout.</p>
<p>For a Swiss tournament your payout seems very comfortable and hopefully will gain some acceptance.</p>
<p>For a round-robin league like the one I devised using the Wide Payout, WP might or might not be better.</p>
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<p>WP Pros and cons compared to Prize Sharing? (Not sure what you call it):</p>
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<p>Needing a forfeit penalty in the…</p>
<p>Ok, I agree that the preliminary game round winnings you have used is trying to address the same problem I was aiming at with the Wide Payout.</p>
<p>For a Swiss tournament your payout seems very comfortable and hopefully will gain some acceptance.</p>
<p>For a round-robin league like the one I devised using the Wide Payout, WP might or might not be better.</p>
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<p>WP Pros and cons compared to Prize Sharing? (Not sure what you call it):</p>
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<p>Needing a forfeit penalty in the WP game system to force each match to be played is not "clean". With 1 point already being assigned to a loss in the system the PS could work as well to achive a similar result. Will consider if I ever start running tournaments again.</p>
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<p>Calcing PS wins/losses might take more time than in WP (albeit it's probably just an excel table or something). WP shows the entry vs price allocation directly (although the allocation is less clean and ugly for the arranger if the playing field is larger than existing precalced winning tables - albeit only once :).</p>
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<p>Technically PS could give nothing (or like 1 win max) to certain players if the playing field is very uneven. But this is theorethical. Since WP has players playing each other having lots of players with "only losses" is not possible. What I'm trying to say is, on a *very theorethical* level WP might work better for round-robin if the playing field is badly stacked like 2/3 pros vs amateurs.</p>
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<p>WP is slightly stronger in shifts, i.e. one win could push you quite a lot higher in the charts compared to losing the game. Obviously this is the effect of having win/loss rewards of 3p/1p instead of the swiss 1p. But the net effect was often that quite many players could reach 2nd position (with it's higher payout) even if the overall winner was clearly decided early on. Another benefit is you sometimes wanting to watch another game after you have played all your matches as it could severely impact your own position.</p>
<p>These two effects, IMHO, are clear benefits compared to a swiss tour where the shift always is minimal (in the final round(s)).</p>
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<p>So in the WP vs PS I'd call your system the winner in Swiss formats and quite good for Round-Robins (which can only be small-scale anyway). While writing this I was contemplating switching to PS myself for round-robins but then I convinced myself otherwise when remembering the "fun" at the end of a WP tournament when the two last games of the entire league were nailbiters for almost every other player as well. And nailbiting was quite common during the 20-30-40 (?) tournaments I arranged using WP.</p>
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<p>But short on time so I'll have to get back to the BEZMA later.</p> Hi, Peter! Thank you very muc…tag:fairbg.ning.com,2012-10-05:3548299:Comment:138292012-10-05T22:10:02.189ZJakob Garalhttps://fairbg.ning.com/profile/JakobGaral
<p>Hi, Peter! Thank you very much for your proposal. It is very interesting that you have very closed idea to FPP-tournament I have implemented about two years ago at <a href="http://ukrfsnb.ning.com/" target="_blank">Kharkov Federation of Nard and Backgammon.</a> Now I have developed it further and we have new format of <a href="http://fairbg.ning.com/forum/topics/backgammon-tournament-with" target="_self">backgammon tournament with prize fund sharing</a>. You can find more description and…</p>
<p>Hi, Peter! Thank you very much for your proposal. It is very interesting that you have very closed idea to FPP-tournament I have implemented about two years ago at <a href="http://ukrfsnb.ning.com/" target="_blank">Kharkov Federation of Nard and Backgammon.</a> Now I have developed it further and we have new format of <a href="http://fairbg.ning.com/forum/topics/backgammon-tournament-with" target="_self">backgammon tournament with prize fund sharing</a>. You can find more description and results in <a href="http://ukraineopenbg.at.ua/news/first_ukranian_open_online/2012-04-26-2" target="_blank">First Ukraine Open Online</a>, that we are promoting at GRIDGAMMON. You can take part in autumn session that will be in November.</p>
<p>There are some comments of backgammon profis <a href="http://ukraineopenbg.at.ua/forum/2-5-1" target="_blank">Mochy</a> and <a href="http://ukraineopenbg.at.ua/forum/2-6-1" target="_blank">Michy</a> too.</p>
<p>Your comments to my book I'll answer you too - sorry for late answer.</p>
<p>According to sensor board "BEZMA" - your remarks and comments are welcome => info@fairbg.com</p>
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